2025 Q3 -tulosraportti
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| Seuraava tapahtuma | |
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| 2025 Q4 -tulosraportti | 3.2.2026 |
| Menneet tapahtumat | ||
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| 2025 Q3 -tulosraportti | 30.10. | |
| 2025 Q2 -tulosraportti | 31.7. | |
| Vuosittainen yhtiökokous 2025 | 12.6. | |
| 2025 Q1 -tulosraportti | 1.5. | |
| 2024 Q4 -tulosraportti | 5.2. |
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15 t sitten15 t sitten“95% of what Bitcoin does right now is relative to the power curve.” Some people seem to have a problem with my statements about bitcoin and MSTR. At the heart of what I’m saying is the fact that bitcoin follows a power law. If you wish to understand more of it, here’s one place to start: https://www.tftc.io/tftc-bitcoin-crash-power-curve-matthew-mezinskis/
10 t sitten10 t sittenI'm sorry, but fitting regressions on log-plots does not establish a power law. A large number of financial time series produce apparent log-log behavior, while having no true scale invariance. Your exponent is not an invariant parameter of the system but an artifact of sampling. Don't get me wrong, I'm long BTC and believe it has a positive expected value as an investment, but promoting it with scientific-sounding jargon based on misunderstood mathematical concepts that might sound impressive to layperson is hardly a productive endeavor.1 t sitten1 t sittenWell, I think the reason scarce bitcoin goes up forever in purchasing power is that a free economy always leads to productivity increases, which lead to deflation, and all the productive people and companies want to save the fruits of their labor to store their purchasing power, for which scarce bitcoin is the best option available. The volatility of bitcoin is high, but one way to look at it is that the old system fights back, until it cannot. With deflation as a natural end result of an economy, the debt based money always needs to be printed. They try QT for a while, and eventually always need to print not to blow up the system. The “stupidity, greed and hype” you refer to is not rooted in humans or in bitcoin, but in the systemic nature of the fiat monetary system. The only way to get rid of this is to get rid of the fiat system, and we are already in the process of doing it. I think it is neither a coincidence that during this year we have seen both a) the obvious need to end QT and start QE, and b) increasing FUD especially against MSTR, but somewhat also against bitcoin. There was probably also heavy shorting involved. Then “coincidentally”, just as prices hit a possible bottom and QT ended, most large US banks had already announced they have new bitcoin-related products, recommend saving in bitcoin for their customers, and are happy to cooperate with MSTR. I think there is no question this was a somewhat planned attack by the old system, but I don’t care. I’m grateful for the cheap shares and bitcoin I got.- 18 t sitten18 t sittenI haven't studied the details of the company, so could someone briefly summarize: if the company's value is mostly based on their btc holdings, why did the price diverge from btc around 2024, i.e, why it was trading at such high premium around 400? I first thought it as a leveraged btc, but the amount of leverage doesn't seem to explain it. Also, suppose you want to invest in leveraged bitcoin, the company's current WACC% is ridiculous 25% (if the data is correct), so would it not be more reasonable to just get a loan and buy btc directly for cheaper leverage? And finally, what is the game plane here, if say, btc drops further 25% and stays there for a year or two, how do they plan to finance the interest payments? They seem to hold around 5% of btc float (maybe even more, considering how much btc have been permanently lost), at what point would they be forced to liquidate? It appears there is a significant probability of runaway meltdown? What am I missing?
·16 t sittenThe reason I went from bitcoin to MSTR was primarily taxes, 30% capital gains tax on BC, alternatively that you can deduct 70% of losses. Compare that with the tax on an ISK, and the choice is simple tax-wise. The upside (in USD) is also higher with leverage. A couple of ways they handle bear periods are: Issue new shares (approx 8000 at the end of November). They can sell BC if Mnav is lower than 1. They preferably avoid selling BC. Then they have announced a USD reserve that is reserved for dividends/coverage (currently approx 21 months of coverage, their goal is 24 months of coverage if I remember correctly). Suggest you listen to their presentations on how they handle bear periods and how their "machine" works/is intended to work. If there's anything positive I would mention about MSTR as a company, also a USP (besides their gigantic BC holdings and experience in technology they possess) is that they are extremely transparent with their business model & actively update their website to present exactly how they stand in their positions. - 1 päivä sitten1 päivä sittenAgain, I’m not a big TA fan, but this makes sense: https://x.com/ryansmethod/status/1996732066478936468 Some thoughts from the video: did we see the bottom? Maybe, but there is a chance bitcoin and MSTR still find lower lows. When do they go significantly up again? Possibly soon, but first we might need to see gold around $5000, perhaps in February. What is my plan? I’m already mostly invested, and bought quite a lot in the recent dips, but I also have some cash to buy a potential future dip. Overall, I’m also expecting the next year to be a good one, but we’ll see.
·2 päivää sittenThe business model can be shelved if they cannot raise capital. But how are they supposed to raise capital, when company owners before them have up to 18% annual interest? It will probably be difficult to raise money going forward, and the interest rate will probably be junk percentages.·22 t sittenThe model worked well on the hype and in a zero-interest rate environment. Now it must rise sharply to service the cost of capital. In addition, BTC is starting to be heavily regulated, which is against its main intention of an independent network, so its main users will seek new chains. (And then the remaining value is a sheet with some simple codes - The White paper)22 t sitten22 t sittenMore total nonsense from an expected source. The price of bitcoin goes up according to the power law some 40-20% annually for the 5-20 years. Strategy finances the bitcoin purchases eg by offering a 10.75% yield on STRC ($100 per share). This is a very competitive yield compared to any other yield on the market, as well as a very low yield compared to expected bitcoin returns. The interest rate environment does not much change the big picture. If you don’t understand monetary systems and the power law, you might have a hard time understanding why the above applies, but I cannot tell you everything here, you need to study it yourself. A government can regulate itself out from bitcoin, but cannot change the bitcoin protocol or prevent others to use bitcoin with regulation. Therefore, regulation is a non-issue, and you can quit shouting about it.
·2 päivää sittenHow far down do you think this will go before it turns around?
·16 t sittenDo you dare to wait? And do you only jump in when it does?
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2025 Q3 -tulosraportti
37 päivää sitten1 t 52 min
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- 15 t sitten15 t sitten“95% of what Bitcoin does right now is relative to the power curve.” Some people seem to have a problem with my statements about bitcoin and MSTR. At the heart of what I’m saying is the fact that bitcoin follows a power law. If you wish to understand more of it, here’s one place to start: https://www.tftc.io/tftc-bitcoin-crash-power-curve-matthew-mezinskis/10 t sitten10 t sittenI'm sorry, but fitting regressions on log-plots does not establish a power law. A large number of financial time series produce apparent log-log behavior, while having no true scale invariance. Your exponent is not an invariant parameter of the system but an artifact of sampling. Don't get me wrong, I'm long BTC and believe it has a positive expected value as an investment, but promoting it with scientific-sounding jargon based on misunderstood mathematical concepts that might sound impressive to layperson is hardly a productive endeavor.1 t sitten1 t sittenWell, I think the reason scarce bitcoin goes up forever in purchasing power is that a free economy always leads to productivity increases, which lead to deflation, and all the productive people and companies want to save the fruits of their labor to store their purchasing power, for which scarce bitcoin is the best option available. The volatility of bitcoin is high, but one way to look at it is that the old system fights back, until it cannot. With deflation as a natural end result of an economy, the debt based money always needs to be printed. They try QT for a while, and eventually always need to print not to blow up the system. The “stupidity, greed and hype” you refer to is not rooted in humans or in bitcoin, but in the systemic nature of the fiat monetary system. The only way to get rid of this is to get rid of the fiat system, and we are already in the process of doing it. I think it is neither a coincidence that during this year we have seen both a) the obvious need to end QT and start QE, and b) increasing FUD especially against MSTR, but somewhat also against bitcoin. There was probably also heavy shorting involved. Then “coincidentally”, just as prices hit a possible bottom and QT ended, most large US banks had already announced they have new bitcoin-related products, recommend saving in bitcoin for their customers, and are happy to cooperate with MSTR. I think there is no question this was a somewhat planned attack by the old system, but I don’t care. I’m grateful for the cheap shares and bitcoin I got.
- 18 t sitten18 t sittenI haven't studied the details of the company, so could someone briefly summarize: if the company's value is mostly based on their btc holdings, why did the price diverge from btc around 2024, i.e, why it was trading at such high premium around 400? I first thought it as a leveraged btc, but the amount of leverage doesn't seem to explain it. Also, suppose you want to invest in leveraged bitcoin, the company's current WACC% is ridiculous 25% (if the data is correct), so would it not be more reasonable to just get a loan and buy btc directly for cheaper leverage? And finally, what is the game plane here, if say, btc drops further 25% and stays there for a year or two, how do they plan to finance the interest payments? They seem to hold around 5% of btc float (maybe even more, considering how much btc have been permanently lost), at what point would they be forced to liquidate? It appears there is a significant probability of runaway meltdown? What am I missing?·16 t sittenThe reason I went from bitcoin to MSTR was primarily taxes, 30% capital gains tax on BC, alternatively that you can deduct 70% of losses. Compare that with the tax on an ISK, and the choice is simple tax-wise. The upside (in USD) is also higher with leverage. A couple of ways they handle bear periods are: Issue new shares (approx 8000 at the end of November). They can sell BC if Mnav is lower than 1. They preferably avoid selling BC. Then they have announced a USD reserve that is reserved for dividends/coverage (currently approx 21 months of coverage, their goal is 24 months of coverage if I remember correctly). Suggest you listen to their presentations on how they handle bear periods and how their "machine" works/is intended to work. If there's anything positive I would mention about MSTR as a company, also a USP (besides their gigantic BC holdings and experience in technology they possess) is that they are extremely transparent with their business model & actively update their website to present exactly how they stand in their positions.
- 1 päivä sitten1 päivä sittenAgain, I’m not a big TA fan, but this makes sense: https://x.com/ryansmethod/status/1996732066478936468 Some thoughts from the video: did we see the bottom? Maybe, but there is a chance bitcoin and MSTR still find lower lows. When do they go significantly up again? Possibly soon, but first we might need to see gold around $5000, perhaps in February. What is my plan? I’m already mostly invested, and bought quite a lot in the recent dips, but I also have some cash to buy a potential future dip. Overall, I’m also expecting the next year to be a good one, but we’ll see.
- ·2 päivää sittenThe business model can be shelved if they cannot raise capital. But how are they supposed to raise capital, when company owners before them have up to 18% annual interest? It will probably be difficult to raise money going forward, and the interest rate will probably be junk percentages.·22 t sittenThe model worked well on the hype and in a zero-interest rate environment. Now it must rise sharply to service the cost of capital. In addition, BTC is starting to be heavily regulated, which is against its main intention of an independent network, so its main users will seek new chains. (And then the remaining value is a sheet with some simple codes - The White paper)22 t sitten22 t sittenMore total nonsense from an expected source. The price of bitcoin goes up according to the power law some 40-20% annually for the 5-20 years. Strategy finances the bitcoin purchases eg by offering a 10.75% yield on STRC ($100 per share). This is a very competitive yield compared to any other yield on the market, as well as a very low yield compared to expected bitcoin returns. The interest rate environment does not much change the big picture. If you don’t understand monetary systems and the power law, you might have a hard time understanding why the above applies, but I cannot tell you everything here, you need to study it yourself. A government can regulate itself out from bitcoin, but cannot change the bitcoin protocol or prevent others to use bitcoin with regulation. Therefore, regulation is a non-issue, and you can quit shouting about it.
- ·2 päivää sittenHow far down do you think this will go before it turns around?·16 t sittenDo you dare to wait? And do you only jump in when it does?
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| Seuraava tapahtuma | |
|---|---|
| 2025 Q4 -tulosraportti | 3.2.2026 |
| Menneet tapahtumat | ||
|---|---|---|
| 2025 Q3 -tulosraportti | 30.10. | |
| 2025 Q2 -tulosraportti | 31.7. | |
| Vuosittainen yhtiökokous 2025 | 12.6. | |
| 2025 Q1 -tulosraportti | 1.5. | |
| 2024 Q4 -tulosraportti | 5.2. |
Datan lähde: FactSet, Quartr
2025 Q3 -tulosraportti
37 päivää sitten1 t 52 min
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Yhtiötapahtumat
| Seuraava tapahtuma | |
|---|---|
| 2025 Q4 -tulosraportti | 3.2.2026 |
| Menneet tapahtumat | ||
|---|---|---|
| 2025 Q3 -tulosraportti | 30.10. | |
| 2025 Q2 -tulosraportti | 31.7. | |
| Vuosittainen yhtiökokous 2025 | 12.6. | |
| 2025 Q1 -tulosraportti | 1.5. | |
| 2024 Q4 -tulosraportti | 5.2. |
Datan lähde: FactSet, Quartr
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- 15 t sitten15 t sitten“95% of what Bitcoin does right now is relative to the power curve.” Some people seem to have a problem with my statements about bitcoin and MSTR. At the heart of what I’m saying is the fact that bitcoin follows a power law. If you wish to understand more of it, here’s one place to start: https://www.tftc.io/tftc-bitcoin-crash-power-curve-matthew-mezinskis/10 t sitten10 t sittenI'm sorry, but fitting regressions on log-plots does not establish a power law. A large number of financial time series produce apparent log-log behavior, while having no true scale invariance. Your exponent is not an invariant parameter of the system but an artifact of sampling. Don't get me wrong, I'm long BTC and believe it has a positive expected value as an investment, but promoting it with scientific-sounding jargon based on misunderstood mathematical concepts that might sound impressive to layperson is hardly a productive endeavor.1 t sitten1 t sittenWell, I think the reason scarce bitcoin goes up forever in purchasing power is that a free economy always leads to productivity increases, which lead to deflation, and all the productive people and companies want to save the fruits of their labor to store their purchasing power, for which scarce bitcoin is the best option available. The volatility of bitcoin is high, but one way to look at it is that the old system fights back, until it cannot. With deflation as a natural end result of an economy, the debt based money always needs to be printed. They try QT for a while, and eventually always need to print not to blow up the system. The “stupidity, greed and hype” you refer to is not rooted in humans or in bitcoin, but in the systemic nature of the fiat monetary system. The only way to get rid of this is to get rid of the fiat system, and we are already in the process of doing it. I think it is neither a coincidence that during this year we have seen both a) the obvious need to end QT and start QE, and b) increasing FUD especially against MSTR, but somewhat also against bitcoin. There was probably also heavy shorting involved. Then “coincidentally”, just as prices hit a possible bottom and QT ended, most large US banks had already announced they have new bitcoin-related products, recommend saving in bitcoin for their customers, and are happy to cooperate with MSTR. I think there is no question this was a somewhat planned attack by the old system, but I don’t care. I’m grateful for the cheap shares and bitcoin I got.
- 18 t sitten18 t sittenI haven't studied the details of the company, so could someone briefly summarize: if the company's value is mostly based on their btc holdings, why did the price diverge from btc around 2024, i.e, why it was trading at such high premium around 400? I first thought it as a leveraged btc, but the amount of leverage doesn't seem to explain it. Also, suppose you want to invest in leveraged bitcoin, the company's current WACC% is ridiculous 25% (if the data is correct), so would it not be more reasonable to just get a loan and buy btc directly for cheaper leverage? And finally, what is the game plane here, if say, btc drops further 25% and stays there for a year or two, how do they plan to finance the interest payments? They seem to hold around 5% of btc float (maybe even more, considering how much btc have been permanently lost), at what point would they be forced to liquidate? It appears there is a significant probability of runaway meltdown? What am I missing?·16 t sittenThe reason I went from bitcoin to MSTR was primarily taxes, 30% capital gains tax on BC, alternatively that you can deduct 70% of losses. Compare that with the tax on an ISK, and the choice is simple tax-wise. The upside (in USD) is also higher with leverage. A couple of ways they handle bear periods are: Issue new shares (approx 8000 at the end of November). They can sell BC if Mnav is lower than 1. They preferably avoid selling BC. Then they have announced a USD reserve that is reserved for dividends/coverage (currently approx 21 months of coverage, their goal is 24 months of coverage if I remember correctly). Suggest you listen to their presentations on how they handle bear periods and how their "machine" works/is intended to work. If there's anything positive I would mention about MSTR as a company, also a USP (besides their gigantic BC holdings and experience in technology they possess) is that they are extremely transparent with their business model & actively update their website to present exactly how they stand in their positions.
- 1 päivä sitten1 päivä sittenAgain, I’m not a big TA fan, but this makes sense: https://x.com/ryansmethod/status/1996732066478936468 Some thoughts from the video: did we see the bottom? Maybe, but there is a chance bitcoin and MSTR still find lower lows. When do they go significantly up again? Possibly soon, but first we might need to see gold around $5000, perhaps in February. What is my plan? I’m already mostly invested, and bought quite a lot in the recent dips, but I also have some cash to buy a potential future dip. Overall, I’m also expecting the next year to be a good one, but we’ll see.
- ·2 päivää sittenThe business model can be shelved if they cannot raise capital. But how are they supposed to raise capital, when company owners before them have up to 18% annual interest? It will probably be difficult to raise money going forward, and the interest rate will probably be junk percentages.·22 t sittenThe model worked well on the hype and in a zero-interest rate environment. Now it must rise sharply to service the cost of capital. In addition, BTC is starting to be heavily regulated, which is against its main intention of an independent network, so its main users will seek new chains. (And then the remaining value is a sheet with some simple codes - The White paper)22 t sitten22 t sittenMore total nonsense from an expected source. The price of bitcoin goes up according to the power law some 40-20% annually for the 5-20 years. Strategy finances the bitcoin purchases eg by offering a 10.75% yield on STRC ($100 per share). This is a very competitive yield compared to any other yield on the market, as well as a very low yield compared to expected bitcoin returns. The interest rate environment does not much change the big picture. If you don’t understand monetary systems and the power law, you might have a hard time understanding why the above applies, but I cannot tell you everything here, you need to study it yourself. A government can regulate itself out from bitcoin, but cannot change the bitcoin protocol or prevent others to use bitcoin with regulation. Therefore, regulation is a non-issue, and you can quit shouting about it.
- ·2 päivää sittenHow far down do you think this will go before it turns around?·16 t sittenDo you dare to wait? And do you only jump in when it does?
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176,3VaihtoMäärä
3 741,8 20 750 666
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